[ASLML] Re: Kibitzing

[Bruce Bakken]

>
>Come on...you can't be serious! A.2 doesn't limit the discovery of errors 
>to the participating players. If the TD sees an error and play has not 
>progressed then he is duty bound to point it out.
>
>I disagree with this whole attitude regarding the intent of A.2. This rule 
>isn't intended to be used as a club to bash one's opponent...nor is it 
>intended to supercede every other rule in the book...nor is it intended as 
>a license to cheat. A.2 is a tool, to be used when players can't mutually 
>agree on a solution...with no hard feelings. Always unequivally applying 
>A.2 without any discussion with an opponent will lead to more harm than 
>good in my book.
>

A.2 is not about discovering errors.  A.2 is about how to handle them if an 
error is discovered.

My point is that errors occur.  And if discovered, A.2 provides a mechanism 
for handling it.  But those errors should be discovered by the players, not 
by spectators.

>I agree that "we're only human"...and as humans we are capable of 
>communicating and achieving compromise in resolving disputes. Personally, I 
>avoid A.2 like the plague...have never had to _invoke_ the rule because I 
>have been able to amicably work things out with my opponents (tourney or 
>otherwise). I will _ALWAYS_ go to extremes to work things out with an 
>opponent before even considering A.2.
>

Of course.  I was not thinking about A.2 as a "weapon" against the opponent. 
  I don't see A.2 as a rule that may be or has to be "invoked".

If both players are merrily playing along, and both players miss a rule and 
continue merrily playing... oh well.  It is not up to any other 
non-participating player to point anything out.

I'm talking about honest mistakes here.  I fire a FT and inexplicably apply 
building TEM.  We both honestly miss it, being tired or what have you.  Oh 
well.  That's an error.  Bummer.  But it's not up to someone watching to 
point it out.  That's my opinion.

If the error is later caught, then A.2 is in effect.  It's not a case of 
"invoking" A.2.  We just move on, and can't go back and change it.  That's 
the proper application of A.2, IMO.  And yes, no doubt I will amicably work 
it out with my opponent.  And no, if play has progressed too far, I will not 
allow my opponent to go back, nor would I expect to be allowed to go back.  
As far as stubbornly adhering to A.2, that is circumstantial.

I was talking about kibbitzing, not A.2.  And I am also assuming that my 
opponent is honest.

Regards,
Bruce Bakken

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