[ASLML] Multiple hits

[Bruce Bakken]

Hi, all.

I've been *trying* to stay out of this... but now I feel I want to throw in 
on this...  :-)

This was Sam's case:
>
>But you got multiple hits. You should roll for effects and select the one
>you want as the rule explicitly state. As you point out yourself a second
>effects DR might destroy the target but not burn it. This is clearly not
>just a case of "no effect except possible SAN".
>

Wait just a tick.  No effect of any kind actually occurs until the firer 
selects which one to use.  When selected, *that* "effect" is the one played. 
  In essence, the other DR can be treated as never occurring.

How could it be otherwise?

If my opponent wishes to choose a lesser effect in order to avoid activating 
my Sniper, then so be it.  I have absolutely no problem with that.

As far as activating the Sniper, it is clear from A14.1 that a Sniper is 
only activated by a DR that actually has some effect:  "The Sniper attack 
occurs after resolving all the effects of the DR that activated it..."

Sorry, but there is no "effect" by either DR until the player chooses one.  
It's like the joke about the three baseball umpires, talking about balls and 
strikes.

The first umpire says, "Some's is balls, and some's is strikes, and I calls 
as they *are*."

The second umpire says, "Some's is balls, and some's is strikes, and I calls 
'em as I *sees* 'em."

The third umpire says, "Some's is balls, and some's is strikes, but they 
ain't *nothin'* 'til I *calls* 'em."

> > With regards to the question on the Location of the 2nd hit,
> > I agree with
> > your reading David, that the original TH DR determines the
> > location hit for
> > the first shot, and the first To Kill DR determines the
> > location hit by the
> > second "shot"/"hit"/DR.
>

Of course what Seth, and David, says is true.  It doesn't even require 
interpretation...

>Except that there is NOTHING in the rules that even implies this. The rules
>state that the TH DR determines hit location. It also states that for
>multiple hits you use the first (the only) TH DR for the hit location. Show
>me something in the rules different from that, and we can talk. But if this
>came up at the tourney where I'm the director I'd over-rule you. ;)
>

Ouch, Sam.  I didn't want to have to do this, but...

"The first To Kill DR of a Multiple Hit vs a vehicle is also used to 
determine the location of the second hit as per 3.9."  That's the 
penultimate sentence in C3.8, 2nd Ed, page C10.

I guess at your tournament I would have to politely point out to you that 
you are wrong.  Of course, for a rule this simple, I seriously doubt it 
would ever need to reach arbitration by the TD... :-)  ;-)

Regards,
Bruce Bakken

>Sam
>
>

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