[ASLML] Carrier C Mortar hit ?

[Mountain View Cottage]

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From: "Bruce Probst" <bprobst at netspace.net.au>
To: "Mountain View Cottage" <mountainview at westelcom.com>;
<Aslml at asl-forums.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [ASLML] Carrier C Mortar hit ?


On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:42:53 -0500, "Mountain View Cottage"
<mountainview at westelcom.com> wrote:

>The MTR attack would only treat the Carrier (like any other OT vehicle) as
>being "unarmoured" if the MTR were attacking from a sufficient height
>advantage to reduce the CE DRM.  To do that, the MTR would have to have a
>height advantage > range to the target.
>
>< Pretty sure Ordnance can't do this. Airbursts can apply, but only
>< in conjunction with the CE DRM. A Japanese MTR @ Level 4
>< firing down at an adjacent Carrier @  Level 0 Woods will attack
>< the Crew Collaterally (assuming the Vehicle is unaffected by the Hit)
>< at net +1 DRM (+2 CE; -1 Airbursts).

I'm quite sure they can, as per the actual rules (all emphasis from actual
text):

D6.61 "BU: As long as an armored halftrack's Passengers are not CE, they may
not be attacked separately ... *unless* the firer has an elevation advantage
the range to the half-track.  In this event, the +2 CE DRM applies but is
reduced by one for each full level elevation advantage > the range (to a
minimum CE DRM of 0) as per 5.31 ...."

D5.31 "CE DRM: ....  An OT AFV's normal (usually +2) CE DRM can be reduced
by Elevation Effects as per 6.61, and by Air Bursts (B13.3); see 5.311 ...."

D5.311 "UNPROTECTED CREWS: The Inherent crew (as well as each Passenger) of
a vehicle receiving fire ... through an unarmored Target Facing/Aspect
(C3.9; including any OT AFV receiving either Air Bursts or fire from a
higher elevation whose elevation advantage is > the range [5.31]) ... is
Vulnerable even if BU, and receives no (or a reduced; 5.31) CE DRM ....  If
an OT AFV's crew would receive a CE DRM *reduced by
Elevation-Effects/Air-Bursts* to < its normal CE DRM, that AFV is instead
treated as unarmored and the attack vs it -- but not vs its PRC -- is
resolved (with no Air Burst TEM) either as per A7.308 (for
non-ordnance/Indirect-Fire-HE) or on the proper TK Table using the pertinent
Unarmored Vehicle TK#."

No restriction on ordnance in any of those rules that I can see.  Am I
missing something?

<<  A MTR attack on a Carrier will only affect a Crew, using the
<< +2 CE DRM, via Collateral Attack. It's attack will first be
<< considered for potential Kill/Immobilize/Shock vs. the
<< Vehicle itself. For that, it gets the Indirect Fire DRMs on its
<< kill attempt (1- OT; -1 All AF <= 4). If the attack doesn't
<< attack doesn't  Kill/Immobilize/Shock it, then you got to
<< the Collateral Attack, which would only be subject to
<< CE DRM / Airburst.
<<
<< Plus, it doens't make "sense". "Height Advantage" for a MTR
<< shot is a non-factor - it's not "direct" fire. If a MTR @ Level 0
<< fires on a Carrier @ Level 4, it's rounds/ammunition are coming
<< in "from above". Why doesn't it get "height advantage" there?
<<
<< It does, but on the Indirect vs. AFV consideration.
<<
<< Not once it fails to affect the Carrier and attacks the Crew
<< Collaterally.
<<
<< Conveniently, the same applies to Level 4 at Level 0. The trajectory
<< and nature of Indirect Fire are not applicable to "direct fire" "height
<< "advantage" conditions that reduce a CE DRM.
<<
<< If Indirect Fire (on- and off-board) can reduce a CE DRM, presumably
<< *always* to +0 ["Height Advantage" = infinite], then the Carrier would
<< automatically be attacked as a non-armored vehicle very time (to kill
<< and vs. the Crew Collaterally.
<<
<< Gotta go to work, sorry, so no reference, but I will try to look it up
<< later - I do recall looking up the same rules you've referenced when I
<< replied last Friday [plus Collateral Attacks]. There's also a rule that
<< says Crews can't targeted separately by Ordnance...somewhere.
<<
<< I also think the "...Airbursts, or fire from a higher elevation..."
section
<< of your quote of D5.31 & D5.311 serves to differentiate between
<< Indirect's, and Direct Fire's, separate application of "Height
Advantage."





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