[ASLML] Amphibious help (part 2)

[Bruce Probst]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:16:50 -0800, Robert M Hammond
<robertthepastor at juno.com> wrote:

>I have a GPA (Amphibious Jeep) in a river (Water Obstacle) hex. 
>According to rule D16.23, a Bog Check would have to be conducted when
>attempting to exit the river and enter land.  The GPA failed the Bog
>Check DR with an 11.  

Bummer.

>First, a portion of Chapter G (rules G13.401 & G13.4221) _appears_ to
>apply to this situation.

What on earth are you doing reading Chapter G?  What makes you think
anything there applies here?

>So, why is it easier to leave a stream but nor a river?

Shallower banks?  Less rapidly-moving water?  River Nixies pulling the boat
down so that they can munch on the bones of the hapless soldiers?

>Should "neither amphibious nor" be changed to "not"?

Why?  What does it have to do with what you're doing here?

>Second, rule D8.2, last sentence states, a vehicle which fails a Bog
>Check is Immobile.  Rule D16.2, second to last sentence states, an
>amphibian is always in Motion while in a Water Obstacle unless
>stunned/shocked.  I'm neither stunned nor Shocked.  So, is rule D16.2
>trying to state/mean I do NOT have to spend a Start MP (because I am
>considered drifting in the Water Obstacle hex) **or** the GPA is Immobile
>and bogged?

No, it's saying you're no longer in the Water Obstacle hex because you
bogged in the *land* hex.  D8.2: "The Bog effect always takes place in the
Bog hex ...."

>Third, if the GPA becomes Immobilized/Bogged ... where does this happen? 

In the land hex.  You can't bog *in* a river hex, only in the waterline hex
(which is land).

>In the Water Obstacle Location *or* Beached across the water/land hexside
>the GPA was attempting to cross?

Neither.  You can't Bog *in* a Water Obstacle, and the Beached rules are in
a part of the rules folder that you don't need to look in when dealing with
amphibious vehicles in rivers.  Is any part of D16.2x referring you to
Chapter G?  No.  So purge Chapter G from your brain, *you don't need it*.

>Rule D16.23 mentions "waterline hexes"
>when referencing Bog.  What is a waterline hex?

Well, since it's not defined in the rules or in the Index, you have to
assume that the everyday English definition applies.  The edge of the water;
where water meets land.  A land hex with water obstacle hexsides.

>It is not defined in the
>Index.  But, this is _somewhat_ discussed in rule E5.531 (BOATS: WATER
>LINE:).  This allows passengers of a boat to unload and become Infantry
>in a Water Obstacle hex which is adjacent to a land hex after the boat
>has become Beached.
>So, as rule D16.23 mentions waterline hexes; and,
>This Water Line Location/existence is only explained in rule E5.531;
>Does an amphibian become Beached as it is in a Water Line hex?

Again with this "Beached" nonsense.  It doesn't apply.  IGNORE CHAPTER G.

For that matter, I think you can ignore Chapter E as well; I don't think the
E5.531 reference to "Water Line" is at all the same thing as a "waterline
hex".  (The difference in punctuation if nothing else indicates this.)

>Fifth and finally, the GPA failed to become mobile.  The second Bog Check
>DR was an eleven with a cdr of 6.  Is the GPA now Immobilized?

Yes.

>According to rule D8.1, an unarmored & unarmed vehicle which becomes Immobilized
>becomes a Wreck.

Only when all the passengers get out, *as is clearly stated in D8.1*.

>So, my HS is eliminated??

No!

>If the Passengers
>are not eliminated, do the Passengers become Infantry as per rule E5.531?

No, they're still Passengers, in an immobilised vehicle, in a land hex.
*When* they get out, the vehicle will flip to its wreck side.

>IMHO, I think an amphibian which fails a Bog Check DR should become
>Beached across the water/land hexside it was attempting to cross and any
>Passengers should be able to Unload as per rule E5.531!  What say the
>Listers??

I think you're completely mistaken.

Look, if you read rules that don't apply to what you're doing, and try and
apply them any way, you're just begging for trouble.  Is it any wonder that
you're confused?

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