[ASLML] DC Placement and Resid.

[Ulric Schwela]

Well I've learnt something new from all that at least, I wasn't aware of the
subtle difference between entering RFP and only being attacked once,
vis-à-vis entering and surviving D1F then being subject to RFP (once only)
for further MF  expenditure(s).

Cool! You learn something new every day - thank you all.

 --- Sam Tyson <styson at fchoice.com> skrev:
> It's always good to make it clear. There is even a Q&A that I came across
> that describes the situation.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 	Sam
> 
> Q (A8.22) Does the statement "A unit can be attacked by Residual FP only
> once per location" mean that a unit which, for example, places a smoke
> grenade, recovers a DC, and places it in an adjacent hex, all in a Location
> containing existing Residual FP, is only attacked once by the Residual FP?
> Also the second bullet, ."Residual FP does not attack ... is
> completed...,." seems to contradict A23.3's requirement of survival of
> Defensive First Fire for placement of DC since existing Residual FP is
> always the first Defensive First Fire Attack allowed against a moving unit
> in its current Location. 
> 
> A. Yes. I don't think so. Obviously, if the placer enters the Residual FP
> Location and is broken or pinned by it, he can't place the DC. If he is not
> thusly affected, the Residual FP does not attack again due to his
> subsequent MF expenditure to place the DC (unless he is subject to
> more-negative/less-positive DRM when he expends it). {KN} 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: swfancher at mindspring.com [mailto:swfancher at mindspring.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 11:03 AM
> To: Sam Tyson; swfancher at mindspring.com; rannikkojaeaekaerit at yahoo.se;
> Brian W; FLEURY,CHRISTOPHER J; Aslml at asl-forums.net
> 
> I must be in a "partially agreeable" mood today....
> 
> You are right that if the unit was attacked by resid when it entered the
> Location it would not be attacked again.  I bolo'd that...out-thought
> myself, trying tosound too smart!
> 
> But if the resid was placed when the unit entered the hex, it has not been
> attacked yet by the resid, and should, IMO be attacked on the additional MF
> expenditure.  Just as a unit that is already in the hex with the resid that
> has not moved yet would be subject to the resid attack if it tried to place
> Smoke.
> 
> There's nothing you wrote below in your discussion that indicates you think
> otherwise, but don't want to leave the impression that my disagreement was
> wrong in it's entirety.
> 
> Seth
>    
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Sam Tyson <styson at fchoice.com>
> Sent: Feb 18, 2004 11:13 AM
> To: swfancher at mindspring.com, rannikkojaeaekaerit at yahoo.se, 
> 	Brian W <cardboard.killer at verizon.net>, 
> 	"FLEURY,CHRISTOPHER J" <CHRISTOPHER.FLEURY at DFA.STATE.NY.US>, 
> 	Aslml at asl-forums.net
> 
> I disagree with your disagreement. The RFP already attacked the unit upon
> entry of the hex, therefore will only attack again if the unit becomes more
> vulnerable.
> 
> This is part of rule A8.22, which states that ...
> 
> A unit can be attacked by Residual FP only once per Location [EXC: if,
> since that first Residual FP attack, the Residual FP has increased in
> strength or the unit is subject to more-negative-DRM/less-positive-DRM, it
> will be attacked again by that Residual FP upon further MF/MP expenditure].
> 
> Sam
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aslml-bounces at asl-forums.net [mailto:Aslml-bounces at asl-forums.net] On
> Behalf Of swfancher at mindspring.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:07 AM
> To: rannikkojaeaekaerit at yahoo.se; Brian W; 'FLEURY,CHRISTOPHER J';
> Aslml at asl-forums.net
> Subject: RE: [ASLML] DC Placement and Resid.
> 
> I agree with you and disagree:-)
> 
> I agree that if the unit breaks on any MC caused by placing the Smoke
> grenade that it does not impact the Smoke placement...the action is
> compelted before any resid attacks per the second bullet in A8.22. 
> Similarly, any D1F against the placement MF occurs after the Grenade is
> placed (or not).
> 
> But, I disagree that existing resid would not attack the unit you describe.
>  OBA attacks units that become more vulnerable, but there is no such
> restriction on resid.  It attacks units that expend additional MF/MP in the
> resid Location.  So you enter and you can be attacked by resid/D1F/SFF. 
> You expend 1 or 2 more MF to place Smoke and you get attacked by any resid
> again, and D1F/SFF as applicable.
> 
> Be well.
> 
> Seth
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ulric Schwela <rannikkojaeaekaerit at yahoo.se>
> Sent: Feb 18, 2004 9:00 AM
> To: Brian W <cardboard.killer at verizon.net>, 
> 	"'FLEURY, CHRISTOPHER J'" <CHRISTOPHER.FLEURY at DFA.STATE.NY.US>, 
> 	Aslml at asl-forums.net
> Subject: RE: [ASLML] DC Placement and Resid.
> 
>  --- Brian W <cardboard.killer at verizon.net> skrev:
> > >RFP, and any other
> > >D1F vs. the placement MF(s) that Break me negate the
> > >(otherwise) successfully placed Smoke, yes?
> > 
> > No.
> 
> I agree with Brian, my understanding is smoke grenade placement is not
> affected by the breaking of a unit in the act of placement.
> 
> Further, if a unit enters a Location and survives the RFP, then
> subsequently announces a smoke placement attempt, I understand it is not
> attacked again by the RFP as normally it would not become more vulnerable
> in the act of placement. (exception would be e.g. lone squad declares AM,
> enters building location for 2 MF, then declares smoke placement in
> adjacent hex for a further 2 MF, thereby no longer qualifying for AM and
> being potentially more vulnerable to RFP)
> 
> Please correct if wrong!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> =====
> --
> Ulric Schwela



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