[ASLML] Gun Duels

[Klas Malmström]

Hi,

 --- Bruce Bakken <bebakken at hotmail.com> skrev:
> Hello Listers.
> 
> In the last couple days I have not been receiving all of my email, so I have 
> missed various replies to severalof my posts.  In light of that, I am 
> starting this new thread.
> 
> First, I must admit that I totally pfaffed my first response to the Bounding 
> Fire/Gun Duel question.  I have played it correctly in the past (re: C6.17), 
> but my response was hasty and, well, lazy.  Sorry about that.  I handled it 
> more like an Inexperienced Crew than like an Armor Leader.
> 
> Now that I am finally re-reading C6.17 <g>... I want to pose a question to 
> the ASLML before asking Perry.
> 
> For your reference, here is the applicable part that interests me: "... all 
> MF/MP thusly expended by the target in that Location before the firer takes 
> his first shot may (*must*, if engaging in a Gun Duel; 2.2401) be used to 
> minimize the application of Case J1/J2 DRM to that first shot, or (if not 
> engaging in a Gun Duel) may be applied in increments to a series of shots at 
> it."
> 
> Okay.
> 
> In the example given where the ATTACKER has expended 5 MP to enter a hex, 
> only the ATTACKER may declare a Gun Duel.  Since by declaring a Gun Duel, 
> the ATTACKER may not fire until the 4th MP (thus minimizing the Case J1/J2 
> DRM), does this mean that:
> 
> a) the DEFENDER may declare Defensive First Fire at any of the 1st, 2nd or 
> 3rd MP increments expended in the hex and the ATTACKER has no option to fire 
> back until these potential shots are completed; or
> 
> b) when the DEFENDER declares a Defensive First Fire attack, the ATTACKER 
> can declare Bounding First Fire and thus initiate a Gun Duel, in which both 
> firers are now engaged; i.e. by the ATTACKER declaring a Gun Duel, the 
> DEFENDER is automatically dragged into it, and by the restrictions found in 
> C6.17 the DEFENDER may then not fire until the 4th MP increment.
> 
> Note that C6.17 says "engaging in a Gun Duel", which can be interpreted to 
> include the DEFENDER because the DEFENDER is automatically drawn into the 
> Gun Duel when the ATTACKER declares it.  C6.17 also says that shots may be 
> applied in increments "if not engaging in a Gun Duel".  Since a DEFENDER can 
> not initiate a Gun Duel in this case, how can it be "engaging in a Gun Duel" 
> unless the ATTACKER had declared one?
> 
> Further, C2.2401 says that a vehicle "may attempt to Bounding First Fire ... 
> *first*, provided ...", and none of the conditions listed say anything about 
> the restrictions in C6.17 or about which MP increment the DEFENDER used to 
> attack with Defensive First Fire.
> 
> If a) is correct, then some wording should be clarified in C6.17 about 
> *declaring* the Gun Duel, and the Case J1/J2 condition should be included in 
> C2.2401.
> 
> If b) is correct, then the ATTACKER has a powerful tactic available to 
> (possibly) pre-empt any Defensive First Fire.  Also, if b) is correct, and 
> the Gun Duel is resolved (at the 4th MP increment), that would mean that any 
> other potential Defensive First Firerw would not then be able to fire at 
> increments 1-3, even if they were "not engaging in a Gun Duel".

Are you sure about that last statement ?

I've always played that DFF attacks by different units vs. the same target
can take place in any order.
E.g. assume an enemy squad enters a building at 2MF.
One units DFF on the first MF and then SFF on the 2nd MF.
Now another units also DFF, and I always thought that it also could fire
on the first MF at this moment (even though the first unit has already SFF
on the 2nd MF).

Or is there a rule I'm missing ?

There is the following Q&A as well:
"A8.14 If a unit expends two MF to enter a Location during its MPh and is First
Fired on by a squad, must/can the latter use Subsequent First Fire vs that
target before any other DEFENDER unit may use First Fire versus it?
A. The order of such attacks is up to the DEFENDER. {93b}"

Regards,
Klas Malmstrom

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Klas Malmstrom
Linkoping, Sweden
Email: klas_malmstrom at yahoo.se
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