[ASLML] A12.12

[Sean]

I've looked at this before and yes, by strict reading of the rule 
this is the sequence I see:

1. Defender sets up his pieces using any OB supplied ? markers as 
dummies or concealment without Attacker present.
2. Defender leaves and Attacker sets up his forces (on or off board.)
3. Both players determine which unconcealed stacks may now gain concealment.

By the rule, this is even the order if one player (or both) starts 
with all OB off-board. However, I've never seen anyone play it that 
way. It's always been Def sets up with OB supplied ?, then conceals 
all unconcealed/non-dummy units. Then Attacker does the same.

Sean

At 11:44 PM -0500 11/28/03, Owens, Michael S CPT wrote:
>Let me rephrase Keith's question, since I was one of the involved 
>parties in the "discussion".
>
>I have always played that when one side enters from offboard the 
>Scenario Defender sets up without the Scenario Attacker around to 
>watch as per A12.12.  Where I have erred in the past is that I have 
>then allowed the Scenario Attacker to set up his units offboard to 
>enter and conceal those offboard units -- all without the Scenario 
>Defender looking.  I believe this is a case of "I've always been 
>playing it wrong".
>
>Read A12.12 again.  It states that "Thereafter, a "?" may be placed 
>on top of any non-concealed [emphasis added] Good Order unit/stack 
>before it enters the mapboard for the first time".  To me, this 
>means that the units to enter are set up offboard unconcealed as the 
>first action in the RPh, then concealed immediately before they 
>enter (whether that entry is in the MPh or the APh).
>
>The Defender still does not have right of inspection per A12.16, 
>since no LOS to the offboard units exists.
>
>What sayeth the List?  Have I always been playing it wrong? Or am I 
>now missing some other rules reference?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Mike
>
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>
>Respectfully,
>
>Michael S. Owens
>CPT, AR, USAR
>Commander
>D Company, 2nd Battalion, 58th Infantry Regiment
>United States Army Infantry Training Brigade
>Ft. Benning, GA 31905
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>michael.s.owens at us.army.mil
>
>
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>From: Aslml-bounces at asl-forums.net on behalf of Keith Todd
>Sent: Fri 28-Nov-03 21:30
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>Subject: FW: [ASLML] A12.12
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>More precisely, can ? Be placed on offboard units during the RPH before
>the movement phase?
>
>Keith
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>On Behalf Of Keith Todd
>Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 6:21 PM
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>Subject: [ASLML] A12.12
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>Does the defender have the right of inspection of the offboard setup, ie
>actually knowing what is under the ? Counters?
>
>Keith