[ASLML] "Mac Sez" and "Perry Sez"

Bruce Bakken bebakken at hotmail.com
Fri Nov 28 14:53:58 PST 2003


Sam,

I have absolutely no problem with how you would handle this during your 
tournament.

The question for me is not a matter of the integrity of my opponent.  Almost 
without exception (and no exceptions come immediately to mind) every 
opponent I have played is honest and plays with integrity.  The question for 
me is one of access to Q&A and Errata.  If it's not universally available to 
all, it should not be used as a basis for dispute resolution.  My view is as 
simple as that.

If a dispute would come up, we would handle it in ten seconds and move on.

The place to argue a point is the ASLML!

No worries, and no hard feelings.  And when I finally am able to enter your 
tournament, I'll tell you what... I won't form any FG!

Take care,
Bruce Bakken


>From: "Sam Belcher" <sambelcher at cablespeed.com>
>To: "'Bruce Bakken'" 
><bebakken at hotmail.com>,<mountainview at westelcom.com>,<Aslml at asl-forums.net>
>Subject: RE: [ASLML] "Mac Sez" and "Perry Sez"
>Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:40:47 -0800
>
>Bruce, et al,
>
> > >I will accept any posting labeled a
> > >Perry Sez as "certified", and I use
> > >the Perry Sez Site.
> > >
> >
> > I generally accept this sentiment, and those expressed below.
>
>Good. In general, we agree then.
>
> > What if you're playing someone who's asked a question of MMP and gotten 
>a
> > reply, but for one reason or another has not shared it with anybody?
> >
> > According to the standards expressed by a fair proportion of ASLML
> > respondent's, this "private" Perry Sez should be just as valid as any
> > other.
> >   Or is it only valid if it's *posted* somewhere?
> >
> > I'm not suggesting that anybody will lie and make up "Perry Sez"s.
> >
> > I'm suggesting there is no way to prove otherwise without an Official 
>Q&A,
> > and to force someone to accept a purported "Perry Sez" that is not
> > Officially corroborated -- even if you are the TD and it is your
> > tournament
> > -- is, well, just plain wrong.
>
>You make a good point. There is the possibility that someone whips out a
>"Perry Sez" at a tournament to support some weird rules interpretation. At
>Enfilade this is handled this way.
>
>"Where did this come from?"
>
>"Perry sent it to me."
>
>At this point it's up to the tournament director to make a call. If the
>Perry Sez is not posted anywhere - and of course we are assuming this Perry
>Sez reverses some accepted view of the rules - then I'd likely make my call
>without the use of that particular Perry Sez. At Enfilade I make it clear
>before the tourney that if you ask me for a ruling I will make the call and
>there is no appeal. I always try to have with me a print out of all "known"
>Perry Sez statements as well as a rule book. So if this happens at a
>tournament, you can easily ask the tourney director for his decision.
>
>The real question is this. Can you trust your opponent? If I -ever- get the
>impression that someone is arguing whichever side of the rule that will
>benefit him at the moment then I decide not to play that person again. Its
>only happened once in my experience and I've probably played hundreds of
>games. (and over a hundred opponents).
>
>So if you and I are playing and you bring up one of these. I'll probably
>accept it. Why? Because I believe you are a person of integrity. Its been 
>my
>experience that the people I've played have -all- (with one possible
>exception) been people who didn't want to win so much that they would 
>cheat,
>lie, steal or hit me over the head.
>
>If it bothers you that much, you can always keep a print out of current
>Perry Sez in your rule book and tell you opponent that those are the only
>ones you accept. I'm less likely to play you in that case, but what the 
>hey.
>No hard feelings.
>
>Sam
>
>
>
>

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